Developer On Fire Episode 238, hosted by Dave Rael, features gerald-weinberg in conversation under the title "Human Tools." The episode was recorded in 2017, making it one of Weinberg's later public interviews, delivered in the period when his health was declining and don-gray had begun taking over psl-workshop-founded-1974 facilitation.
The "Human Tools" framing reflects Weinberg's lifelong argument that software development's most important tools are human beings—their judgment, creativity, communication, and relationships. This theme runs from psychology-of-computer-programming-1971 through becoming-a-technical-leader-1986, secrets-of-consulting-1985, and the quality-software-management-framework, and it connects to the broader concept of programming-as-human-activity.
The episode offers Rael's audience—primarily working software developers—an accessible introduction to Weinberg's ideas in his own voice. It complements the more technically focused leanpub-frontmatter-interview-2017 and the career-spanning spamcast-grandfather-of-agile-2015. As a late-career primary source, it captures Weinberg's continued engagement with ideas about software development as a fundamentally human endeavor.