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left-wing hate groups on the net

``` [I have enclosed the messages I received in response to my request for pointers to left-wing hate groups on the net. I'll let you evaluate them for yourself.]

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:20 EDT From: "E. Allen Smith" To: rre-maintainers@weber.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: More Notes and Recommendations

Part of the perceived bias might have been due to some of the groups to which they approvingly link, such as the Anti-Fascist Web. That one is anti-fascist in the communist sense - as in what the demonstrators in Prague got called in 1956 by the communist government. It's against anything not communist, and calls everything anti-communist pro-fascist. I'd be proud to be called a fascist by them. One left-wing group that appears to be about like the group you mention above can be found at www.blythe.org; it's Maoist. Some information on it can be found at http://www.soc.niu.edu/~cudigest/cud58/cud854. Another would be the Nation of Islam; it has a web page at http://www.afrinet.net/~islam/, at least according to AltaVista (problems getting through). One book that's interesting, if somewhat out of date, on the far left is "Far Left of Center" - it's by the ADL, if I don't misremember. -Allen

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stanton McCandlish To: rre-maintainers@weber.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: notes

Part of the problem may be that the left tends to direct its hate messages in crafty, disguised ways. Open hate advocacy seems to be an extreme-right characteristic, while left groups will do things like complain of domination by (men, whites, the non-handicapped, whatever), and call for "empowerment" of the opposite. It disguises the hate messages underneath. Neo-Nazis on the other hand make no bones about their views, and blame everything on Jews (or whoever), rather than call for "empowerment" of anglos.

I can think of a lot of "guilty" left-wing orgs, but none of them really fit under the label "hate groups". They just advocate censorship and other mischief under layers and layers of euphemism and redirection. The only exceptions I can think of are a few anti-male groups (I won't honor them with the label "feminist"), and some environmentalists who want to blame all corporations for all evil, as if something direct from the heart of Satan resided in articles of incorporation. Even these folks don't seem to have quite the same kind or level of hate as the Nazi-types.

[I don't mean to imply that all left groups with concerns like those are hateful or censorious, either, lest anyone be rolling their sleeves up to flame me.]

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Stanton McCandlish

mech@eff.org

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Program Director

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:21:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristian Simsarian To: rre-maintainers@weber.ucsd.edu Subject: WWW page rec's 2 hate, 1 good

Here is a hate page. liberal? I am not sure, but anti-corporate, definately:- http://www.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at:8001/%7Echris/HATE/

I am not sure this qualifies as a hate page, it supports the efforts of a couple in the UK who are defending and launching a slander suit with McDonalds. They definately have something (aka beef) against the clowny corporate giant that verges on hate:- http://muu.lib.hel.fi/McSpotlight/

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:55:06 +0200 From: ncoom@netvision.net.il (ncoom gilbar) To: rre-maintainers@weber.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: notes

Here's a late entry for the hate group category: Peace Now - peacenow@actcom.co.il - http://www.peace-now.org

I quote a news article: "Peace Now Hits the Streets Peace Now is organizing a series of mass demonstrations throughout the country.

The banner for the demonstration is, "It is the time to show Netanyahu what the people really want." The demonstration will take place on Sunday September 29th at 4:30pm, in Jerusalem, and on October 2nd, in Tel-Aviv. Peace Now - peacenow@actcom.co.il - http://www.peace-now.org (SNS..28/9). From SNS news service (www.borealis.com/sns)

Despite the Prime Minister being elected by the people, the "Peace Now" group 'knows' what the people want better than 'those religous fanatics' who by some error of democracy have the backing of the prime minister, or vica versa.

Ncoom

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:13:39 -0500 From: HALBERTS@inet.dsccc.com (HALBERTS) To: Phil Agre Subject: Re: notes

>Subject: notes >Author: Phil Agre at INET >Date: 9/27/96 10:41 AM

>I'm still also collecting nominations for left-wing hate groups on the net.

Phil, here are some of my bookmarks for ANTI-Populism Sites:

> I'll keep >collecting responses until October 1st, then I'll send out the whole set. >The only rules: include a URL, explain your reasoning...

Phil, just take a peek at each and they speak for themselves.

>Two recommendations on the general topic of psychopathology.

>That Bill Clinton is a piece of work, isn't he? I had him underestimated.

He is truly THE TEFLON PRESIDENT!!!

> My own >view is that a democratic society requires everyone to recognize these sorts >of behavior, name them for what they are, and refuse to allow the principles >of fairness and democratic procedure be hijacked by divisive people. This >is very hard. But at the end of the day, we have to recognize that we cannot >save democracy just by making more and better rules. It has to be something >that starts with our active concern for the community and our own boundaries.

In researching history, the only societies which have stood over long periods of time have had an absolute set of moral guidelines (based on GOD's laws) which hold people accountable for their OWN ACTIONS, rather than excuse someone's actions because of whatever excuse is in vogue at the moment.

ANY rule of law which is other than GOD's rule of law is human rule of law and flawed by human passions, greed and other selfish factors, which constantly needs additional rules and laws to compensate for human frailties of the human law creators. This becomes an endless, downward spiral into complete slavery by those who hold the strongest power over the physical, the human body, who hold everyone else as slaves for their own sadistic pleasure.