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``` [I personally regard this stuff as totally wacko. But I do find several things interesting about it. One is the tone of the language. (E.g., try skipping right to the end of the letter in the first message.) Another is the recurring theme (here and elsewhere too) of sympathy for far-out militia conspiracy stuff from among military and former military people. And of course there's the fact that this stuff -- any stuff you like -- can circulate instantly on the Internet. What would the anti Vietnam war movement have been like if the Internet had existed in the early 1960's?]
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:48:00 -0400 From: financial.opportunities@canrem.com (Financial Opportunities) To: RRE-MAINTAINERS@WEBER.UCSD.EDU Subject: USGS Says Only One OK City Bomb: in reply {1}
Well, Phil, it looks as though this is becoming a case of "our experts against their experts".
Here's one of our experts......
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 18:21:48 -0400 From: SGibson007@aol.com To: joyce1@ix.netcom.com, pwatson@utdallas.edu, gfarkas@richmond.infi.net Cc: libernet@.dartmouth.edu, Raw10@tyrell.net, 5098475@mcimail.com, oped@news.latimes.com, heraldedit@delphi.com, 9255134@iona.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk, alt-activism@cs.utexas.edu, alt-conspiracy@cs.utexas.edu, alt-politics-org-batf@cs.utexas, c-news@world.std.com Subject: OKC Bombing (Urgent)
This is a transcription of a letter from Brigadier General Benton Partin retired USAF dated May 17,1995 copy in my possesion copy available by fax request to 303-986-8597 or 303-494-3369. I have verified the authenticity of the letter and spoken to its author this afternoon May 21 1995 at 02:00 PM Thi is critical information post widely please Call your Congressman and Senator if he is on the list of recepients. Ask them what they are going to do in light of this information.
A copy of this letter was delivered to the following U.S. Senators on Thursday May 18 Imhoff, Dole, McCain, Mack, Coverdell, Craig, Kempthorne, Coats, Lyle, Cochran, Lott, Burns, Gregg, R. Smith, Faircloth, Helms, Thurmond, Hutchison, Gramm, Bennett, Warner, and Thompson A copy of this letter was delivered to the following U.S. Representatives on Thursday ,May 18 and Friday May 19 Wolfe, Goodland, Bleily, Davis, Stockman, Army, Hyde, Stump, Dornan, Cunningham,Hefley, Young, Gingrich, Crain, Bunning, Baker, Bartlett, Nolenberg, Emerson, Zarkarkovich, Paxon, Funderburk, Charles Taylor(NC), Bonner, Lucas, Robert Walker, Sam Johnson, Tom Delay, James Hansen, Robert Bateman
Dear Senator Nickles,
We are all grieved by the bombing tragedy in Oklahoma City. The entire nation was assaulted and we may never know who the real instigators were or why they did it as in the Kennedy assassination. I am concerned that vital evidence will soon be destroyed with the pending demolition of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. From all the evidence I have seen in the published material, I can say with a high level of confidence, that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from the single truck bomb without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforced column bases. The total incompatibility with a single truck bomb lies in the fact that either some of the columns collapsed that should not have collapsed or some of the columns are still standing that should have collapsed and did not. An oversimplified analogy will help you see this point. It would be as irrational or as impossible as having a 150 pound man sit in a flimsy chair and the chair collapses: then a a man weighing 1500 pounds sits in an identical flimsy chair and it does not collapse- impossible. To produce the resulting damage pattern on the building , there would have to have been an effort with demolition charges at the bases to compliment or supplement the truck bomb damage. A careful examination of the collapsed column bases would readily reveal a failure mode produced by a demolition charge. This evidence would be so critical , a separate and independent assessment should be made before a building demolition team destroys the evidence forever. The most critical columns to assess would be A9 and B# as later defined. Other failed columns may also have had demolition charges at their base. I have attached a brief resume which will amplify to establish some measure of credibility for the comments above and to follow. I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included hands on work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories: Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory; Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense(OSD) management responsibility for almost every non-nuclear weapon device in the Air Force I was also the first chairman of the OSD Joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. When I first saw the pictures of the truck bombs asymmetrical damage to the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforcing concrete column bases( a standard demolition technique.) First, blast through air is a very inefficient energy coupling mechanism against heavy reinforced concrete beams and columns. Second, blast damage potential initially falls off more rapidly than an inverse function of the distance cubed. That is why in conventional weapons development, one seeks accuracy over yield for hard targets. Columns in large buildings are hard targets for blast. Note: The 3-8-93 Time Magazine shows a still standing column in the middle of the Trade Center cavity with the reinforced concrete floors completely stripped away for several floors) The entire building in Oklahoma City could have been collapsed with relatively small demolition charges against the base of the columns and with even less explosives if linear cavity cutting charges had been used, I know of no way possible to reproduce the apparent building damage without well placed demolition charges complimenting the truck bomb damage. From published photographs, the basic building structure is three rows of eleven columns each. The four corner columns have external clamshell like structure for air ducts, etc., as revealed in magazine photographs of the damage. If we label the column rows A, B, & C, from front to back, and number the columns 1 through 11 from left to right, then published pictures show columns A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, and B3 collapsed , essentially vertically. The 5-1-95 u. S. News and World Report and other damage photos show a very large re-inforced concrete header at the second floor level of column row A. Much larger columns extend from the header down fro the odd numbered columns i.e. A3, A5, A7, A9. The even numbered columns extended down to the header with apparently reinforced concrete joints. The heavy, odd, numbered columns were all accessible from the sidewalk but collapsed Column B3, is well inside the building. If the truck bomb was not nearest to column A3 then a single truck bomb thesis would be even more questionable. See the figure below
Appearing in this area is a diagram of the information detailed below. I can not reproduce with my current equipment. C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9 C10 C11
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 B10 B11
A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 A10 A11 * truck bomb
A rough sketch of the Federal Building and its columns shown above has superimposed circles of roughly equal levels of damage potential which drop rapidly (exponentially) as they get farther and farther away from the truck bomb. If we consider the damage potential at column A3, the closest column to the truck on the sketch, to be damage potential level one at distance one, then moving out farther multiples of that distance the destructive potential drops off as an exponential function of one over the number of multiples. Therefore at circle 1 you have a decisively destructive force that brought down column A3 At circle 2 the destructive potential is marginal for row A, column A5 came down but the heavier column A1 did not. At circle 3 level, column B3 came down, but just beyond B3 columns B2 and B4 did not come down. Therefore circle 3 is marginal for the columns in row B which are much smaller than the odd numbered columns in row A. Moreover the higher numbered columns in row A are seeing more of a lower side on pressure than column row B
For any odd numbered column failure in row A, the adjacent even numbered columns would also necessarily fail The still standing, extended , cantilevered header, from A1 to almost back where A8 was, is probably due to the seesaw effect, Over A7 as an instant pivot point, as the A row collapsed sequentially to the right by either the truck bomb or supplemental demolition charges. If the header at column A8 had survived explosives, cascading floors could have caused it to fail. However, one would not expect such a long remaining cantilever. From what has been stated thus far, and considering only the potential damage from the truck bomb, there are a number of problems. A. If columns A7 was brought down by a truck bomb, then there most of the much smaller columns B1, B2, B4, B5 and B6 should not be standing but they are. B. Conversely, a truck bomb that could not bring down columns B1, B2, B4, and B5 could certainly not be expected to collapse the lower two floors of a much heavier column A7. The columns A7 and A8 should still be standing which they are not. C. For a simplistic blast truck bomb, of the size and composition reported, to be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced column base the size of column A7 is beyond credulity. Even bringing down B3 at its range is highly suspect. Glass and plastic can be broken a long way off with explosives but not heavy, reinforced, concrete columns. IF DEMOLITION CHARGES WERE USED TO COMPLIMENT THE TRUCK BOMB, THE ABOVE PROBLEMS ALL DISAPPEAR. Was it practical? Yes for the following reasons:
A. Columns A2, A5, A7, A9 were readily accessible from the sidewalk to the curb B. Adequate demolition charges could have easily been put into position. C. A simple permacord interconnect would not look too difficult from a piece of closeline or coaxial cord D. If the bomb attack was desired to do more than deface the building , then inside help or loose security may have permitted placement of a charge at B3( If they can have an Ames in CIA counterintelligence why can't they have someone if needed in Oklahoma City? E. The payoff to the leftist, internationalist of a 'world commonwealth of independent states' as a prelude to the withering away of the state would merit highest level planning and implementation of the Oklahoma Bombing if it could result in the new legislation to criminalize the patriotic support of Constitutional rights.
From here the letter continues for two more pages and concludes with the final paragraph.
Because of the psycho-political operation going on at the present time against the "Christian right" bogeyman: records in Waco, Idaho, California, and other places, and the high level promotion of censured officials. I would strongly urge that the U. S. Congress take steps to assure that evidence in Oklahoma City be independently evaluated by a collection of demolition experts from the private sector before the building is demolished. It is easy to determine whether a column was failed by contact demolition charges or by blast loading. It is also easy to cover up crucial evidence as was apparently don in Waco. I understand that the building is to be demolished by may 23rd or 24th. Why the rush to destroy the evidence? I discussed this with your assistant. Lee Morris. early in the month.
Sincerely
Signature appears here
Benton K Partin B/G USAF Ret.
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 18:20:43 -0400 From: SGibson007@aol.com To: joyce1@ix.netcom.com, pwatson@utdallas.edu, gfarkas@richmond.infi.net Subject: OKCity Bombing (Urgent2)
Reprinted from the Colorado Committee of Correspondence Fax location 303-494-3369 "There are but two parties now traitors and patriots. I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter " US Grant
The announcement that here follows as arguably the most important information to ever cross the Committees of Correspondence network, perhaps any patriot network. What we do with it -- you and I- is up to each one of us. If we harness the power that the information holds , we may be able to turn the tide of events in America and put a stranglehold on tyranny, in a peaceful and blood less manner. But if we neglect it, if we examine it, then shake our heads and throw it in the trashcan, thinking that the thing has gone to far for us to effect the outcome, then we only have ourselves to blame for our apathy. In this hour as Benjamin Franklin once said" We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall hang separately." Early yesterday morning Friday the 19th day of May 1995, we were given the first very credible information on the bombing in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma had to have, in some manner, high level government compliance. The task now that looms before us is to stop the demolition of the federal building in Oklahoma City. As the government buried the evidence after the Waco Massacre, they are making every effort to bury the evidence in Oklahoma City. But before we go any further , let's examine our source and his formidable credentials. The Source retired U.S.A. F. Brigadier General Benton K. Partin says of himself. "I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included hands on work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories: Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory; Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense(OSD) management responsibility for almost every non-nuclear weapon device in the Air Force I was also the first chairman of the OSD Joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee" The preceding information was quoted word for word from a six page letter that General Partin wrote to Senator Don Nickels. Accompanying that letter was a full page "resume" greatly expanding on the General's credentials The General has received the Distinguished Service Medal, was a distinguished Graduate from the Air War College and has received the Legion of Merit not once but three times. Saying that this good man knows his stuff would be an understatement of the greatest magnitude; he is a weapons and systems and demolition expert and he can smell a skunk ten miles away. On important quote from his letter to Senator Nickles sums up the entire problem with the media's version of the Oklahoma City bombing: " The entire building in Oklahoma City could have been collapsed with relatively small demolition charges against the base of the columns and with even less explosives if linear cavity cutting charges had been used. I know of no way possible to reproduce the apparent building damage without well-placed demolition charges complimenting the truck bomb damage." General Partin maintains that a fertilizer bomb" alone could not have possibly done the kind of damage that was done to the federal building. To attain that kind of damage, according to Partin, complimenting charges would have to have been applied to the several columns around and inside the building. The General believes that this kind of work could not possibly have been accomplished by the two individuals paraded before us on National television. In addition to lacking the skill and equipment necessary to build such bombs, the alleged bombers would have needed to access the interior columns of the building, and would have had to have had to attach such devices to those columns without arousing suspicion. Could all of this have possibly been accomplished by Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nicholas alone? Without a doubt the answer is a resounding "no." Could these two men have been involved in the bombing to some smaller degree? Possibly Could they have been patsies? Almost assuredly. The vast evidence fro what is stated here is well documented in General Partin's Letter, and remember that General Partin is an expert in this field. He knows how these things work . The beauty of this turn of events is that General Partin is a completely legitimate and very credible source. He has served his country honorably for over thirty years. The government can not reasonably label him a so called right -wing extremist, as they have strived to label the rest of us. The government has decreed that the federal building be demolished on Tuesday, May 23rd or possible the following day This absolutely cannot be allowed to happen If we are ever to know the whole truth, and if Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are ever to have a fair trial, then the remains of the that building must be examined thoroughly by independent investigators. Those investigators must absolutely not be picked by the federal government. Remember the Warren Commission ? If we can stay the demolition if we finally receive a redress of grievances- perhaps we can stop America from slipping off the precipice where she now finds herself. We must stop that fall!. We must stop that fall! For in the belly of the canyon below lies the terrifying inevitability of a second American civil war. The whole truth, a truth that undoubtedly will unveil a web a government compliance in the bombing must be uncovered for candid world to see. As soon as you receive this fax, call your Representatives and Senators in Congress immediately. During the weekend, fill their voice mail and run their fax machines out of paper with your protests. Come Monday morning begin your calls and faxes anew. Please do not stop your calls or faxes until we are assured that the building will not be demolished!. Be very polite, but demand in no uncertain terms that the demolition be stayed indefinitely. If your representatives and Senators have an Internet Address and you have access to Internet E-Mail overflow those mailboxes with you messages as well. This is our most desperate hour. If we lose this fight for the truth we will undoubtedly lose so very much more, as President's Clinton Anti-Terrorism Bill speeds its way through Congress. Please heed the call and work Peacefully and legally with all your might to stop this demolition Any that would like a copy of General Partin's letter to Senator Nickles should fax a request to 303-986-8597 or 303- 494-3369 Include a return fax number we will get it out as soon as possible.
Do you feel a strange tingly feeling in your blood vessels? That is the unmistakable feeling of total victory! Do you hear a faint song in the distance ? That song is the unmistakable Star Spangled Banner hailing our total victory? Does your cheek have the strange sensation of a drop of water running down its contour? That is the tear brought on by the realization that WE, the People of the American Republic, standing tall and proud for our God, for our families and for our flag will have the ultimate victory and will restore our grand Republic. Glory be to God in the Highest. To Him- the only King we will ever worship-we willingly bow our knee and into his hands we commend our souls.
Colorado Committee of Correspondence
Date: 06-04-95 (20:21) Number: 23256 of 24218 (Refer# NONE) From: JAD@GTI.NET Subj: OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING: Two Blasts or One? Read: 06-05-95 (10:00) Status: RECEIVER ONLY Conf: Internet_Mail (104) Read Type: READING ALL
To: 'SNET' Subject: FW: Witness account of TWO bomb blast Date: Tuesday, May 30, 1995 8:32PM
This witness account (below) matches precisely with Ted L. Gunderson's
electrohydrodynamic gaseous fuel device A-neutronic (barometric bomb)
explanation. Where are people getting this nonsense about lack of
witnesses of two bomb blast? My own research and observation of
material has dug up several such accounts. This particular witness is a
Vietnam Army veteran and currently a practicing attorney.> --- Excerpt from interview with attorney Charles Watts, witness to OKC
federal building bomb blast from nearby Bankruptcy Court building:
(Appeared in full in June 1995 issue of Media Bypass.) MEDIA BYPASS: Can you tell us what happened?
WATTS: I had a court hearing in the Bankruptcy Court in downtown
Oklahoma City. The Bankruptcy Court is approximately 50 yrds to the
south of the Murrah building that was blown up. The federal courthouse
sits in between, but where I was, was up on the ninth floor, the top
floor of the Bankruptcy Court, with nothing in between the two
buildings. We were on the south side, out in the foyer, outside the
courtroom. It was 9 o'clock, or just very, very shortly thereafter.
Several lawyers were standing there talking and there was a large
explosion. It threw several of the people close to me to the floor. I
don't think it threw me to the floor, but it did move me significantly,
and I threw myself to the floor, and got down, and about that time, a
huge blast, unlike anything I've ever experienced, hit. MEDIA BYPASS: The blast wave hit?
WATTS: A second blast. There were two explosions. The second blast made
me think that the whole building was coming in. MEDIA BYPASS: You mentioned earlier that you have experienced
explosions before.
WATTS: I have. MEDIA BYPASS: Can you tell us where?
WATTS: I'm a longtime Army veteran and a Vietnam veteran. I have been
around explosives and demolitions and munitions for many years. In
Vietnam, I was in a house that was actually bombed while I was in it. I
guess I haven't been within 100 yds of a B-52 strike, but I've
experienced B-52 strikes in the vicinity where I was, in aerial
bombing. Never have I experienced anything like this. This was a huge,
huge explosion. MEDIA BYPASS: From your experience you knew this was a bomb blast
almost instantly?
WATTS: Immediately. It was way too big to be natural gas. It certainly
couldn't have been an earthquake. It was a bomb. MEDIA BYPASS: The two noises you heard, the first one knocked people
down, is that correct?
WATTS: The first one knocked people down, and then the second one came
in and all of the windows blew in. They were thick windows. Some
windows may have broken with the first blast. It did a lot of damage to
the building I was in. --- Last Night "Night Line" 5/31/95 discussed the OK City Bombing and it's
investigation. The show opened with Koppel's coments about how the
investigation had slowed and that only two prime suspects.(McVeigh and T.
Nichols) had been arrested. Koppel admitted that at first a larger conspiracy was suspected, but now it
seemed that only two persons could have committed the bombing. (Reminds me of
the Warren Commission's One Bullet Theory). Night Line's panel of experts included a retired F.B.I agent and two
Journalists. One thing discussed was the failure of the F.B.I. to find anything about John
Doe #2. The F.B.I. agent said that it is possible that a witness could have
been mistaken in his Identification of this person, and John Doe #2 may not
even exist. (Really!!! I remember that the people who I.D.'d John Doe #2 were
the people at the truck rental place). I wonder if it would be possible
that they made the same mistake when they I.D.'d Mr. McVeigh? Has the cover up begun to take shape in the Media? As usual they forget
what they (the media) have reported in the recent past and try to re-write
to make the story come out smelling like a rose. They have ignored some glaring questions. The discussion on Night Line last
night seemed to be trying to justify a two-man conspiracy plot!!!! They
seemed to forget that Americans watched this whole thing on TV - and know
what went on before our very eyes, and now - yes - you must believe their new
angle. Do you think that they will also try to clean up the past remarks
about militias, and heaven knows who all else, are NOT involved? Not yet!! Harry Bibee III
HPBIII@AOL.COM From: broward@rainbow.rmii.com (Horne Broward) My notes from the Citizens for the Constitution meeting,
May 27, 1995 at the Holiday Inn DIA, 15500 E. 40th Ave, Denver. Disclaimer: All comments here are my own, written by me. All
interpretations of speakers, beliefs, etc, is my own. Second guest speaker was David Hall. Mr. Hall is the general
manager of an Oklahoma City television station, KPOC-TV KPOC-TV, Channel 27
114 West Central
Ponca City, Oklahoma 74601
(405) 767-8827 Comments on OK Bombing from Mr. Hall: #1 - The FBI originally announced that it had "videotapes" of
the two John Doe suspects entering a "brown ford pickup",
then fleeing the scene of the crime. Later, the story
changed to McVeigh's 1978 Mercury and the original claim
was discarded. When the FBI was questioned by KPOC-TV
about the "videotape of the brown ford pickup", the FBI
first responded that it had never issued such a statement. When confronted with video footage of the "brown ford pickup"
claims, the FBI response then changed to "We're not going to
comment". #2 - If the FBI did indeed have VIDEOS of the two John Does, why
were sketchs issued, instead of photographs? #3 - KPOC-TV is located about 10 miles from the alleged area that
McVeigh was arrested at. The official story is that McVeigh
was apprehended sometime around 11 AM. (can someone check
on this?) Mr. Hall claims that, while listening to the
local police on a scanner around 1 PM, he heard the original
arrest call go out on a "1978 Mercury, no license plate,
involved in OK bombing". Mr. Hall dispatched reporters to
the scene, but all action was finished by the time they
arrived. #4 - When the reporters arrived on the scene, they found one witness,
a school teacher, who claimed that a military helicopter had
whisked the bombing suspect away. Now, I suppose that this
could be discounted pretty easily. Except. The next day, Mr. Hall
was speaking with his own insurance agent. Much to his surprise,
his agent CONFIRMED that he, too, had seen the helicopter leaving
the area while driving through. #5 - Anomalies: Mr. Hall states that normal OK police procedure is
to IMMEDIATELY tow away cars when suspects are arrested. In this
case, the car ( of the biggest bombing in U.S. history, right )
was left sitting for 48 hours. And. I-35 is apparently a major
drug-traffic route, and is patrolled constantly by OK police
( or state patrol, or whatever ), and that there is a standard
policy of towing away any abandoned cars within 24 hours. #6 - Mr. Hall claims to have videotape of EIGHT (8) workers in the
Federal building that state they had prior warning of the
explosion. #7 - Mr. Hall also has the name of a secretary to a state senator
who claims that she received a warning about the bombing TWO
DAYS before it occurred. Footage exists of her claims. After
it was broadcast, she was visited by the BATF/FBI, and resigned
her position the next day, due to "pressure". #8 - Here's the blockbuster. Now, all the previous stuff I've seen
before as rumors. It's nice to have a clean and clear source that
can be charged with the stories and held accountable. So, unlike
most of the crowd at the meeting, I wasn't too stunned. Until
I heard this: Mr. Hall claims that... not only does the FBI, and HIMSELF,
KNOW who John Doe #2 is, he claims that he and the FBI know
WHERE he is. That is, up until last Friday. #9 - When questioned, Mr. Hall discounted the Debra Von Trapp story,
the three middle eastern men story, and doesn't appear to be
concerned with the "two bomb" theory. He confirmed that TWO
unexploded bombs exist, but has not felt a need to investigate
in that direction. There is no answer as to whether the two
bombs were BATF hardware, unexploded terrorist bombs, etc. Additionally, he seemed to feel that demolishing the building
was most likely done to reduce the anxieties and reminders
to the local people. And that the destruction of the building
would have no effect on any investigation into the bombing,
that basically it was irrelevant. His closing comments on the OK bombing were that he felt the
whole matter would be resolved within the next 2-3 weeks,
and that he had reporters working on it right now. I got
the impression that McVeigh planting a fertilizer bomb is
NOT the whole story, and when I questioned Mr. Hall, he
replied that he was fairly sure that McVeigh was guilty
as charged, but that the "entire story" is untold. He was questioned by a member of the audience that, YES or NO,
was the government involved in the bombing? He was unwilling
to make a definite comment at this time. #10- One of the audience members claimed that a good friend of hers
had been questioned last night (Friday, May 26) by the FBI. The
FBI's excuse for picking this particular fellow was that he had
been in McVeigh's "phone log". She felt quite strongly that this
was some kind of bogus ploy, that the FBI was setting up this
excuse of a "phone log" to implicate innocent people. #11- Regarding the "immienent arrest of dozens of militia members". The
concensus appeared to be that this reference was to a religious
separatist cult somewhere in Northern Oklahoma, and that they
had absolutely nothing to do with the bombing, and that no
"Waco-type" incident was immienent, despite last week's headlines.
(and please take this last comment with a little leeway, it was
towards the end of the meeting and I could easily have one
of the details wrong, I have no notes on this comment) * Please note that there was not a single "black helicopter" mentioned in this
entire sequence of postings :). Just some very disturbing facts and expert
opinions! Cheers! John W. P.S. Phil, I'd appreciate it if, in your usual fair and even-handed way, you
would consider posting some or all of this material on your mailing list.
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